I’ll keep this short. 2019 was yet another full-filled year of HiFi adventures. Although I’ve experienced the most audiophile burn-out ever – it was an incredibly rewarding experience.
I attended plenty of shows this year. Check out my Munich 2019 Grand Tour video which has about 200,000 views! As far as reviews, my focus was undoubtedly on audiophile cables. There aren’t many reviews of cables (due to the crazy amount of trolls) so I’m happy to fill that gap. I strongly believe it could be the most overlooked tweak that could make or break a system. And it doesn’t have to be expensive.
As for 2020, I’m looking forward to reviewing more loudspeakers and amplifiers. Hence, it only makes sense to set up a new dedicated listening room on the ground floor. We’ll see how that goes.
Thanks to you, Audio Bacon has grown exponentially over the past few years. These reviews take an enormous amount of time, effort, and personal resources. I just want to thank our supporters and those who have sent kind words of appreciation. They go a long way in keeping me focused, motivated, and sane. I look forward to providing even more value in 2020.
Mr. Audio Bacon himself. An open-minded electrical engineer and software developer by trade. I have an obsession with the enjoyment of all things media - specifically in the realm of music and film. So much heart and soul (and money) go into the creation of this artistry. My aim is to find out which products get me closer to what the musicians and directors intended.
Sadly when you talk about a power cable have tonal signature etc... All respectability is lost on me for your view on a product. I am an electronic engineer myself. Please send me some cables and I will glady review them honestly. If they change my view on this contentious money making ISSUE I will happily agree. However, personnel testing I have made shows no difference between power cables. Anyone is free to spend what they like on this great hobbie. Please be more honest and kindly refrain from the fancy words. If you fancy a blind test would love to be proved wrong. Oh and just because I don't agree with you does not make me a troll. Please understand we can all have our own opinion. Happy New year.
We can all have our opinions...yet I'm dishonest for describing what I hear? Lol. Congrats Andy! You are the first troll of 2020.
Beg on we all don't agree until see to prove see u in Munich 2020
i woudn't call him a troll actually, he is respectfull and doesn't hear a difference, i didn't hear differences for a long time myself.
Name calling, well done sir, first of 2020. Up for a listening challenge? You pick out your cable everytime? Thank you for being adult Geoffrey. It is wise to spend a certain amount on cables after that the return is pointless. I am up for a listening session so let's see if the offer is accepted. Facts please by proving the outcome through test.
Name calling, well done sir. Up for a listening challenge? You pick out your cable everytime? No thought not.
hi,
on a decent system, not ultra high-end but expensive non the less, the difference between a stock cable and a another cable can be heard by everyone. Not just by audiophiles or reviewers. Sometimes It changes the sound drastically, sometimes slightly but you can easily hear it on a decent system in a decent room. Not on a budget system.
I only started to hear differences when i had my new system and my new speakers . Now i hear a difference between cables as well. Before i did not hear this. I was also very sceptical because i didn't hear it in my own system. But now the system is good enough to hear it. My wife, friends and kids heard it when i changed a cable one night just for fun.
Play a track with spiked female vocals (Tracey Thorn is usually very sharp) twice for twenty seconds with a stock cable , and then once again with another cable. The changes are best heard on preamps and sources. It sounds different. Period. Hopefully in the case of Tracey Thorn less edgy. But it can be a change in the bass, become less sharp, or even more sibilance and brighter if the cable is not suited for the system but you usually hear something. Not always mind you.
My system costs about 15000 euros all in and Jay's even more expensive. In one case AVM V30 preamp the entire product changed from dull to energetic and fun with another powercable.
Tend to agree mostly their is a lot of snake oil products in audio audiophiles including me tend to exaggerate a lot but a couple of years ago I started investing in very serious audio equipment starting with with speakers and than electronics nearly a cost of a Tesla car & plus , it was than I suddenly found out that power cables do matter! so do high end speaker cables & interconnects a lot of time as well as trial and error , scientifically and logically honestly I don't understand this . but my ears and listening test seem to tell me different !
Even the engineers at Iconcolast/Belden don't know why different metals sound different. They admit it's something they can't measure. So it only makes sense to listen.
Opinion must be based on experience. it looks you have no experience on cable especially power cable. In my system all cables have their signature. Every plug have a signature etc... So, I would prefer that you speak about your experiences and not your beliefs. If you have doubt, try yourself and if ever you don't hear anything, please make a tonal audiometry.
It sad to say that majority of the audiophile reviewer's are afraid of blind test. As an audiophile lets be honest.
Exactly what I said. However, looking through this website of Jay's and other thread comments he is dissmisive of anyone who dare go against his word, he is right apparently. Sadly he is also very rude in how he handles the debating comments. His usual answer is 'you are clearly not an audiophile and just a troll' . I think that clearly shows Jay for what he is. He has to remember he has decided to put this on the net so expect to be questioned, otherwise keep your opinion to yourself and enjoy your cables quietly.
I don't think it makes sense to use high end power cords for your equipment while the power cables supplying the wall sockets throughout your house are just regular power cables.
Cables are a contentious subject for a few reasons: many people don’t expect them to make a difference so don’t even try; some expect large improvements in low budget systems (where the internal wiring is low quality) and get annoyed because the difference is minimal; some simply don’t train their ears or lack the ability to experience / define the difference; some accept that interconnects make a difference but can’t see why digital cables should matter (common quote “it’s just 1’s and 0’s” No it’s a modulated electric signal just like analogue, only faster and therefore more critical!); some say power cables can’t make a difference because of the house mains (try a power conditioner or regenerator!); some say standard home mains cable is all you need for speakers... The simple answer is that any system is only as good as its weakest link, and in most systems the weak point will be the cables. My system is worth about £15k and at least one third of that is the cables and power supply. I trained my ears using the Harman How to Listen program (up to level 12 although my score usually settles out at 11 for those who are interested) and I would happily perform double-blind listening tests with cables (All types) because I have been able to clearly hear and describe the differences in every cable change I have ever made. In some cases the results of a cable upgrade were greater than a major component upgrade, and that includes a power cable upgrade which even took me aback!
Unfortunately inside many cases you’ll find cheap wires carrying the precious power and signal (digital and/or analogue), even in components which should not have anything less than the best internal wiring. That will limit both the sound quality of the component and the effect of any cable upgrade. So check the internals and if necessary upgrade the internal wiring. If you don’t have the skills or are worried about damaging your pride and joy there are a number of Hi-Fi retailers with qualified engineers who offer this service.
For those who refuse to accept that power cables can make a difference, please remember that a power conditioner or preferably a regenerator takes most, if not all of the noise out of the mains, leaving a pure sine wave AC supply which then requires good cables to reach the components intact.
Positioning and isolation of speakers and components is absolutely critical to creating an environment in which they can “sing” to the best of their ability, together with room treatment and careful decisions about seating: Get everything else out of the way of the sound.
Also, please remember that audiophile equipment is finicky; for example a cable that brings out high end sparkle from a tube amp will probably sound harsh with a solid state amp. Other difficulties are less easy to define logically, it’s all about finding the right cables for your equipment and your ears - an integral part of system matching. And what sounds great to a bass-head will probably sound bad to a classical fan. Everyone’s ears are different, as is our taste in music, so try to find a store that will let you try a couple of different cables and buy the one you prefer - or none of you don’t hear a worthwhile improvement.
If you don’t have a nearby store that let’s you try before buying then buy second hand and treat them well so you can sell them on for close to what you paid if you’re not happy and then try a different brand or type of cable. This is how I started my journey 20+ years ago and I haven’t looked back. Just last year I was certain that my headphones needed upgrading to match the sound quality of my speakers but a new cable made all the difference... That saved me £1,000 !
Lastly but possibly most importantly, cables require at least 200 hours of use before they sound their best. For those who don’t know, this is called the “burn-in” phase and whilst not yet fully understood it is a universally accepted fact which I’ll give a little insight into here. Burn-in time is another good reason for buying cables second hand - but be sure to ask the seller how many hours the cable(s) have been used for: Brand new, cables sound nothing like they will do after burning in (usually harsh and far from neutral when new). Many people either don’t realise this or are told it’s a far shorter process and so are understandably disappointed. So they sell an almost new cable after trying it for only a few hours (or minutes!) in their system. In short, don’t expect a new audiophile cable to sound anywhere near as good as it should straight out of the box: Good things come to those who wait! Well done to anyone who made it this far; I hope this has been helpful to some. Happy New Year.
Thank you for sharing your journey :) An accurate summary of some of the experiences I've had as well.
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Sadly when you talk about a power cable have tonal signature etc... All respectability is lost on me for your view on a product. I am an electronic engineer myself. Please send me some cables and I will glady review them honestly. If they change my view on this contentious money making ISSUE I will happily agree. However, personnel testing I have made shows no difference between power cables. Anyone is free to spend what they like on this great hobbie. Please be more honest and kindly refrain from the fancy words. If you fancy a blind test would love to be proved wrong. Oh and just because I don't agree with you does not make me a troll. Please understand we can all have our own opinion. Happy New year.
We can all have our opinions...yet I'm dishonest for describing what I hear? Lol. Congrats Andy! You are the first troll of 2020.
Beg on we all don't agree until see to prove see u in Munich 2020
i woudn't call him a troll actually, he is respectfull and doesn't hear a difference, i didn't hear differences for a long time myself.
Name calling, well done sir, first of 2020. Up for a listening challenge? You pick out your cable everytime? Thank you for being adult Geoffrey. It is wise to spend a certain amount on cables after that the return is pointless. I am up for a listening session so let's see if the offer is accepted. Facts please by proving the outcome through test.
Name calling, well done sir. Up for a listening challenge? You pick out your cable everytime? No thought not.
hi,
on a decent system, not ultra high-end but expensive non the less, the difference between a stock cable and a another cable can be heard by everyone. Not just by audiophiles or reviewers. Sometimes It changes the sound drastically, sometimes slightly but you can easily hear it on a decent system in a decent room. Not on a budget system.
I only started to hear differences when i had my new system and my new speakers . Now i hear a difference between cables as well. Before i did not hear this. I was also very sceptical because i didn't hear it in my own system. But now the system is good enough to hear it. My wife, friends and kids heard it when i changed a cable one night just for fun.
Play a track with spiked female vocals (Tracey Thorn is usually very sharp) twice for twenty seconds with a stock cable , and then once again with another cable. The changes are best heard on preamps and sources. It sounds different. Period. Hopefully in the case of Tracey Thorn less edgy. But it can be a change in the bass, become less sharp, or even more sibilance and brighter if the cable is not suited for the system but you usually hear something. Not always mind you.
My system costs about 15000 euros all in and Jay's even more expensive. In one case AVM V30 preamp the entire product changed from dull to energetic and fun with another powercable.
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Happy newyear everyone.
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Tend to agree mostly their is a lot of snake oil products in audio audiophiles including me tend to exaggerate a lot but a couple of years ago I started investing in very serious audio equipment starting with with speakers and than electronics nearly a cost of a Tesla car & plus , it was than I suddenly found out that power cables do matter! so do high end speaker cables & interconnects a lot of time as well as trial and error , scientifically and logically honestly I don't understand this . but my ears and listening test seem to tell me different !
Even the engineers at Iconcolast/Belden don't know why different metals sound different. They admit it's something they can't measure. So it only makes sense to listen.
Opinion must be based on experience. it looks you have no experience on cable especially power cable. In my system all cables have their signature. Every plug have a signature etc... So, I would prefer that you speak about your experiences and not your beliefs. If you have doubt, try yourself and if ever you don't hear anything, please make a tonal audiometry.
It sad to say that majority of the audiophile reviewer's are afraid of blind test. As an audiophile lets be honest.
Exactly what I said. However, looking through this website of Jay's and other thread comments he is dissmisive of anyone who dare go against his word, he is right apparently. Sadly he is also very rude in how he handles the debating comments. His usual answer is 'you are clearly not an audiophile and just a troll' . I think that clearly shows Jay for what he is. He has to remember he has decided to put this on the net so expect to be questioned, otherwise keep your opinion to yourself and enjoy your cables quietly.
I don't think it makes sense to use high end power cords for your equipment while the power cables supplying the wall sockets throughout your house are just regular power cables.
Cables are a contentious subject for a few reasons: many people don’t expect them to make a difference so don’t even try; some expect large improvements in low budget systems (where the internal wiring is low quality) and get annoyed because the difference is minimal; some simply don’t train their ears or lack the ability to experience / define the difference; some accept that interconnects make a difference but can’t see why digital cables should matter (common quote “it’s just 1’s and 0’s” No it’s a modulated electric signal just like analogue, only faster and therefore more critical!); some say power cables can’t make a difference because of the house mains (try a power conditioner or regenerator!); some say standard home mains cable is all you need for speakers... The simple answer is that any system is only as good as its weakest link, and in most systems the weak point will be the cables. My system is worth about £15k and at least one third of that is the cables and power supply. I trained my ears using the Harman How to Listen program (up to level 12 although my score usually settles out at 11 for those who are interested) and I would happily perform double-blind listening tests with cables (All types) because I have been able to clearly hear and describe the differences in every cable change I have ever made. In some cases the results of a cable upgrade were greater than a major component upgrade, and that includes a power cable upgrade which even took me aback!
Unfortunately inside many cases you’ll find cheap wires carrying the precious power and signal (digital and/or analogue), even in components which should not have anything less than the best internal wiring. That will limit both the sound quality of the component and the effect of any cable upgrade. So check the internals and if necessary upgrade the internal wiring. If you don’t have the skills or are worried about damaging your pride and joy there are a number of Hi-Fi retailers with qualified engineers who offer this service.
For those who refuse to accept that power cables can make a difference, please remember that a power conditioner or preferably a regenerator takes most, if not all of the noise out of the mains, leaving a pure sine wave AC supply which then requires good cables to reach the components intact.
Positioning and isolation of speakers and components is absolutely critical to creating an environment in which they can “sing” to the best of their ability, together with room treatment and careful decisions about seating: Get everything else out of the way of the sound.
Also, please remember that audiophile equipment is finicky; for example a cable that brings out high end sparkle from a tube amp will probably sound harsh with a solid state amp. Other difficulties are less easy to define logically, it’s all about finding the right cables for your equipment and your ears - an integral part of system matching. And what sounds great to a bass-head will probably sound bad to a classical fan. Everyone’s ears are different, as is our taste in music, so try to find a store that will let you try a couple of different cables and buy the one you prefer - or none of you don’t hear a worthwhile improvement.
If you don’t have a nearby store that let’s you try before buying then buy second hand and treat them well so you can sell them on for close to what you paid if you’re not happy and then try a different brand or type of cable. This is how I started my journey 20+ years ago and I haven’t looked back. Just last year I was certain that my headphones needed upgrading to match the sound quality of my speakers but a new cable made all the difference... That saved me £1,000 !
Lastly but possibly most importantly, cables require at least 200 hours of use before they sound their best. For those who don’t know, this is called the “burn-in” phase and whilst not yet fully understood it is a universally accepted fact which I’ll give a little insight into here. Burn-in time is another good reason for buying cables second hand - but be sure to ask the seller how many hours the cable(s) have been used for: Brand new, cables sound nothing like they will do after burning in (usually harsh and far from neutral when new). Many people either don’t realise this or are told it’s a far shorter process and so are understandably disappointed. So they sell an almost new cable after trying it for only a few hours (or minutes!) in their system. In short, don’t expect a new audiophile cable to sound anywhere near as good as it should straight out of the box: Good things come to those who wait! Well done to anyone who made it this far; I hope this has been helpful to some. Happy New Year.
Thank you for sharing your journey :) An accurate summary of some of the experiences I've had as well.